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Ryan & Addison Try Play "Human or Zygon?" On this Week's Doctor Who Chat

Ryan & Addison Try Play "Human or Zygon?" On this Week's <em>Doctor Who</em> Chat

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It's been a long time coming, but this week's Doctor Who saw the return of everyone's favorite cosplaying science-y hero: Osgood! But which Osgood is human? Or was it the Zygon we saw... um... last season? What's the truth and what are the consequences of the events of this week's Doctor Who? Ryan and Addison discuss these and more SUPER important topics below! Dive in and leave your monster-biases behind!

Ryan Britt
HI ADDISON!

Addison
HELLO LADY ME

Ryan Britt
Call me Osgood

Addison
Human or Zygon?

Ryan Britt
DOES IT MATTER
Not to me
Gotta say
right off
I love Osgood
and I was really waiting for this episode
I'm one of those people: Osgood can do no wrong

Addison
I don't even know what to think of London anymore
ZYGONS EVERYWHERE

Ryan Britt
Yeah. I guess everyone there might be a Cylon
I mean ZYGON
Or do I?

Addison
Let me rephrase: ALIENS EVERYWHERE

Ryan Britt
Shapeshifters!
Replicants
So. I really liked this episode
and I have only WEIRD bad things to say about it
First off: is this season just playing the "How Many Times Can We Show David Tennant's Face?" game?
Because I now count THREE different episodes

Addison
I think they're playing "How many ways can we break people's hearts other than the usual?"

Ryan Britt
Seems like it!

Addison
Seriously

Ryan Britt
Though, getting Osgood back is a gift

Addison
Every post about Doctor Who episodes and whatnot
Have David Tennant's picture on them
WHYYYY

Ryan Britt
Of course
But you know
Seeing Matt Smith again was nice
like last season!
When he phoned Clara

Addison
I did not expect that to happen

Ryan Britt
and then they did the Matt Smith flashback to when Clara first called him
Yeah, that was so awesome
That's still a great moment

Addison
Both times I didn't expect it

Ryan Britt
It made the regeneration so different from the previous two
ANYWAY

Addison
BECAUSE HEY, these things are new!

Ryan Britt
That's right

Addison
Exactly
I feel like we're headbutting each other again

Ryan Britt
I know!
Anyway
I have so many thoughts
If there were TWO Osgoods
From "The Day of the Doctor"
Doesn't that mean there are TWO Kate Stewarts?

Addison
OF COURSE
It also means Elizabeth is still alive as a Zygon

Ryan Britt
Ha!
Are Zygons like, immortal?
Oh man

Addison
I don't know, but they certainly like dressing up as girls
NOT JUDGING

Ryan Britt
WHICH ELIZABETH says that the Doctor is her enemy in "The
Shakespeare Code" then?
The Zygon?
I love all this nonsense

Addison
I know
my head is going back to the painting
but then I'm like ahhhh

Ryan Britt
Right!
How come I don't own that painting
it seems wrong
But seriously
do you think there are more than one version of Kate?

Addison
HOW COME YOU DON'T CALL ME THE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD
I don't know

Ryan Britt
Sorry. President

Addison
if there is, she would know
because Kate has everything happen under her nose, basically

Ryan Britt
See
I feel like there is more going on that Kate knows about that she doesn't tell
When she says "someone with a TARDIS"
that might not be the Doctor!

Addison
also
with the whole immortal/mortal thing
there's so much more left to interpretation
SO MANY REFERENCES
in fact
when you think about it
there's also two Clara's

Ryan Britt
I dunno. But that Clara is clearly evil

Addison
and one of them was a Dalek at some point

Ryan Britt
Jeeze

Addison
the other one's a Zygon

Ryan Britt
Just when Clara gets whole

Addison
WHAT IS WHAT ANYMORE

Ryan Britt
she gets fractured
So
here's my main problem with the episode
I like the idea of thinking about the Zygons as being just like us
but
they seem too jerky/evil
when they look like Zygons
I don't buy there are peaceful ones
It's a nice theme

Addison
Heh they basically look like jerky sometimes

Ryan Britt
but it doesn't always play
You know?

Addison
I know
I think it's a recurring theme that needs to stop
like with the Slitheen
it went along great because Doctor, Rose, Jack, Tin Dog (Mickey)

Ryan Britt
I'm not sure I follow

Addison
but the Twelfth Doctor and the series in general doesn't have the same dynamics to make us believe that the Zygons could be good

Ryan Britt
Well
I think I could believe that they're not evil
it's just like
it's this monster from the 70's version of the show
that doesn't play well as being sympathetic
it's a interesting emotional challenge to be sure
which I like the show pushing
(like don't hate on something because it looks like a monster)
but the show is having that both ways
because they are scary monsters
it's hard to know what to latch onto sometimes
which is smart-ish
but doesn't always work

Addison
honestly, for me, the show is *kinda* falling apart

Ryan Britt
What do you mean?
That's so extreme!

Addison
I KNOW
I'm trying to put it together
not falling apart
it's just
there's a tear at the seam
there's so much focus on the Doctor
yet there's so little focus on the Doctor

Ryan Britt
Well
this episode had very little of him in it

Addison
and then they continue with the loose ends
BUT
I am glad I brushed up on my Classic Who
because references!

Ryan Britt
Well. I think this episode made the least sense of all of the ones this season
But I liked it because it felt like an old David Tennant episode
(Or a 3rd Doctor Pertwee episode)

Addison
(or a 7th Doctor episode!)

Ryan Britt
Yeah, which, honestly, I can barely handle

Addison
really, they gave it away when the Zygon was Bonnie

Ryan Britt
yeah

Addison
Bonnie Langford played his companion!
and Osgood was wearing his apparel (somewhat)

Ryan Britt
I know!
But I think the 7th Doctor is borderline unwatchable!
(everyone is booing at me now)

Addison
*throws potatoes*

Ryan Britt
I think everything in between Peter Davison
and the 9th
is almost AWFUL
Paul McGann is good like, now, but not in the TV movie!

Addison
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

Ryan Britt
Ha!
I'm just saying
not all this stuff is equal
I barely like Patrick Troughton too!
(I'm the worst!)
I like the "cool" Doctors

Addison
Yeah, I feel like a lot of them did better with the audio episodes

Ryan Britt
1, 3, 4, 5, 10

Addison
because the writing was horrible
at the time

Ryan Britt
Well
repetitive
Actually, it's funny there are so many two-parters this season
because it's very old-school

Addison
YASSS
Very Tennant-ish too

Ryan Britt
Anyway
We should do our top threes! I think!

Addison
Yes
THIS TIME I ACTUALLY HAVE TOP THREES

Ryan Britt
Go for it!

Addison
-Osgood is a hybrid. We have another hybrid. Maybe. (We definitely have another hybrid.)
-More guitar! I'm working on a pattern with the choice of music - I feel like they're hints to what the main obstacle in the episode is
like Pretty Woman - Missy
Amazing Grace - Zygons

Ryan Britt
Stairway to Heaven-Danny Pink :)

Addison
OOH
and of course
-Matt Smith.
I also have a fourth
because this made me really happy
they mentioned Harry Sullivan

Ryan Britt
Just from the little thing at the beginning? Or was there another Matt Smith thing?
Oh!
I missed that!

Addison
Well, the beginning and the little hints with kissing a Zygon etc.
I AM A SUCKER FOR ALL THE REFERENCES

Ryan Britt
But Tennant kissed the Zygon!
Not Matt Smith!

Addison
but it all points to that episode!

Ryan Britt
Right

Addison
and there's a sheriff involved
(which really doesn't have anything to do with Matt Smith, but still)
Harry Sullivan was the naval surgeon
who made Z76

Ryan Britt
That's cool

Addison
okay
your turn

Ryan Britt
My top three things are
1. Osgood
2.Osgood
3.Osgood

Addison
why did I know this was going to happen...
:)

Ryan Britt
1.Human Osgood
2.Zygood Osgood
3. Alternate universe Osgood that I made up
Um
For real

Addison
HYBRID Osgood

Ryan Britt
1. I liked that Osgood was back and that a random storyline from "Day of the Doctor" got it's own thing.
2. I liked all the different characters. I actually LIKED that the Doctor wasn't the focus
3. Despite some of my criticisms, I liked the THEMES
Reminded me of good episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
OR Battlestar Galactica
I'm a sucker for evil twins
or doppelgangers
So
for me
this was a huge treat
I can't wait for next week!
I loved the cliffhanger
So good!

Addison
It actually does seem a lot like Star Trek
even with the last few episodes

Ryan Britt
Well

Addison
some of the characters, even

Ryan Britt
I think that's a good thing.

Addison
Always!

Ryan Britt
I ALSO think Russel T. Davies should write that new Star Trek show that is getting launched in 2017

Addison
(I think RTD should come back to Doctor Who....)

Ryan Britt
well yes
duh!
Predictions for next week?
How are they going to get out of this?

Addison
I don't even know
black archives
(AND JACK HARKNESS)

Ryan Britt
that would be cool!
I'm guessing second Kate Stewart

Addison
I'm not very sure about that
just because it's been so underplayed all this time
but Clara, yes!
We forgot about Clara

Ryan Britt
Well
We see there are two of her
which is which
I dunno

Addison
maybe we'll never know
it's been thousands and thousands of years since Elizabeth
Moffat could be a Zygon too
we'll never know

Ryan Britt
Likely
Moffat is a Zygon
and I am too!
For now, I'll leave you in my human form!

Addison
And I'm the President of the World
you have my permission

Ryan Britt
Thank you! Addison!

Addison
Tally ho, Ryan!

Ryan Britt
Okay! Geronimo!

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