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The SPOILERIEST Doctor Who Chat That E'er Was Chatted!

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Fair warning to all newborn and veteran Whovians who have not caught up with Series 9: THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET FEELSY. SPOILERAMA 5000!

Ryan Britt

HellO!

Addison

*waves while hanging from the TARDIS*

Ryan Britt

What a great scene!

Addison

I KNOW
My first instinct would be to cry

Ryan Britt

Reminded me of "Day of the Doctor"
so cool

Addison

YAS

Ryan Britt

Right now?
I'm so shocked
I had read nothing

Addison

Did you know I stood there where the TARDIS landed in Day of the Doctor?

Ryan Britt

THAT'S TOPS
I have to go there

Addison

Are we jumping straight into it
Do you think we're ready?

Ryan Britt

I wasn't ready for it anyway!
But
to switch it up
before we start
let me say
we *kind of*
got a Captain Jack
thing
!

Addison

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

Ryan Britt

retcon!

Addison

I know!
I was slapping my imaginary friend's arm the entire time!

Ryan Britt

Nice
Probably real
just in another dimension
okay
let's get into what really matters
Ready?

Addison

Is crying allowed?
I bet you're crying right now

Ryan Britt

Yep
let's warn everyone
right now
You should stop reading now if you haven't seen the episode!
(lots of spaces)

Okay.

Clara got killed by a raven
boom

Addison

*screams*

Ryan Britt

I'll be really honest with you
I"m way less sad than I should be
I'm not a Clara hater (I know a lot of people are)

Addison

Because we knew it would happen

Ryan Britt

RIGHT
And it was so weird
Good weird
But WEIRD
Like I think the idea that she died because "that's the rules" was a bit off

Addison

I mean, I would've preferred your Danny Cyberman - Clara Dalek analogy better than a RAVEN

Ryan Britt

Kind of like David Tennant regenerating because of a crappy two-way-door system
Yeah
Clara as a Dalek
way better
than a Raven killing her
I mean, don't get me wrong, this episode was super cool.
But a little anti-climactic
Or should I say
"false-climactic"

Addison

YES

Ryan Britt

because all I wanted to know was where the Doctor was being beamed to!

Addison

Also
I honestly would've loved if Maisie William's wasn't in this episode
Just casually putting it out there

Ryan Britt

Hmm
interesting
yeah
it did create another element that made things hard to focus on
though
it does solidify the Doctor's feelings about her
RAGE

Addison

Well, yes
But if it was a new character
I would've been impressed
New one-off character

Ryan Britt

Right
fair
My big feeling is this
I think this episode shouldn't have worked on paper
but somehow does
which is what Doctor Who does best
Oh, it's a story about Rigsy
it's a story about Clara being reckless and dying
it's a story about the Doctor not turning into a jerk after tragedy
OH
Space Alien Refugees!
So much is here
and it's actually balanced really well

Addison

AND IT'S A STORY OF HOW CONSCIOUS THE DOCTOR IS ABOUT HIS ACTIONS AND MISTAKES
One would think just because Ashildr is not in the previous episodes the Doctor's put her to the back of his mind
"Surveillance"
Damage control

Ryan Britt

Right
it was pretty awesome
I love the aliens living in plain sight thing
very Torchwood

Addison

And very Buffy

Ryan Britt

Oh yeah
good call!
Well

Addison

Dark alley

Ryan Britt

I guess I have very few problems with this episode

Addison

I was half expecting to see Angel

Ryan Britt

I thought it was done really, really well
I was shocked!
That Clara died this exact way
and I'm not totally convinced
that she is dead
BUT
I will say this
a companion hasn't DIED in how long?

Addison

Probably Rose
Because she technically did die

Ryan Britt

Rose didn't die!
Rose is still alive!
Capaldi could meet Rose!

Addison

But she's dead in this universe!

Ryan Britt

eh

Addison

She's alive in the AU
IS THAT NOT WHY SHE HAD TO SAY GOODBYE TO THE DOCTOR IN THE FIRST PLACE
Ohmigosh the feels

Ryan Britt

It's not the same
which is weirdly
why this was so jarring

Addison

And such a slow death

Ryan Britt

Because with Rose, it's like all this "oh, well maybe...but no, probably not"
with this it was just like "Boom"
strategy didn't work out
that's it
Which, in a way, is more realistic

Addison

But it's Clara
I would've preferred for there to have been a bit more color

Ryan Britt

Well
Clara has had big deaths BEFORE

Addison

Yes

Ryan Britt

It's like she came in with big deaths
and is exiting a little more realistic?

Addison

But she's been such a crucial element in the show
More than any other companion

Ryan Britt

(As realistic as getting killed bye a ghost crow can be)
I think that might be a generational thing.

Addison

Ooh

Ryan Britt

I think if you were to ask most fans my age

Addison

Also

Ryan Britt

we'd say "Clara is okay."

Addison

Isn't Peri the last companion who died?

Ryan Britt

No Peri lived
Adric
the 5rth Doctor saved Peri

Addison

That could be debatable

Ryan Britt

before he became the 6th

Addison

Isn't there an alternate ending

Ryan Britt

I'm not sure!

Addison

Flying somewhere along the Internet

Ryan Britt

Perhaps
here's what I mean about Clara though
I feel like the "importance" of Clara
has been sort of overstated
Like the show has tried very hard to convince us she's important to him
but...I'm not sure I buy it as MUCH
as I buy Amy
or Rose

Addison

Especially in "Day of the Doctor"

Ryan Britt

or Donna
right
but if I think about the ones that really matter
I think Rose Amy Donna
(I love Martha)
and I LIKE Clara
but I don't buy them as being as influential
it's just a feeling

Addison

(Why? WHY? Well, she has some redeeming qualities but her character was poorly written at most stages)
Yeah

Ryan Britt

that's right

Addison

Rose Amy Donna

Ryan Britt

her early episodes
with Matt Smith
are really bad
like, the "Snowmen" is awesome
I think
but most of those other ones

Addison

Bells of St. John was good but weird

Ryan Britt

(I do like "The Rings of Akaten" though)
I mean
it's not NEAR as good as these episodes this season

Addison

True

Ryan Britt

I guess what I'm saying is this
I feel bad for the character of Clara
and for Jenna in specific
because she's part of so many transistions
so the actual character seems lost in there
is she a school teacher?
a daredevil?
someone looking for love?
someone losing love? (both the 11th Doctor and then Danny?)
Is she someone who takes care of kids for a living?
(Remember that? Back with those kids in the Neil Gaiman episode?)
I dunno

Addison

Yep
Come to think about it
That does strike me as odd
AND
In a way
She's the opposite of every other companion

Ryan Britt

What do you mean
that's interesting

Addison

They all found their purpose in life after their travels with the Doctor
Like Rose
She didn't wanna be shop girl for the rest of her life
But then she became Rose Tyler, Defender of the Earth

Ryan Britt

right!

Addison

But with Clara
She was already Defender of the Earth in her own rights
She got all tangled up and then she was just that
Clara

Ryan Britt

True enough
Clara is permanently retconned because of what happened in "The Name of the Doctor," but I still feel like fans will love the other folks we've mentioned more
Which is just weird
Like *technically* she's more important (in terms of big events)
I dunno
I loved this exit
though I’m not convinced we won't see her again in some capacity

Addison

Are you sure
Well

Ryan Britt

Mostly because there STILL could be other versions

Addison

Other than flashbacks
OR PHONE CALLS

Ryan Britt

No
I mean
Clara got splintered off into the Doctor's ENTIRE timeline
to save him
in "The Name of the Doctor"
so
there could be another Clara show up like 10 years from now

Addison

Ahhh

Ryan Britt

seriously

Addison

That is a huge possibility

Ryan Britt

She could always come back
I don't think she will
but it would easy
(Same thing with Rose and the 10th Doctor)

Addison

That's what we thought about Sarah Jane
OOH

Ryan Britt

(AU 10th Doctor can come back and look older and it would make sense)
let's talk what we liked about this episode

Addison

Top 3 this?

Ryan Britt

You bet

Addison

You first!

Ryan Britt

Okay!
Well
1. Everything about the writing was fantastic. I thought from the dialogue to the larger themes, it was just one of the stand out epsiodes
if someone was watching Doctor Who for the first time, this would be a great one
2. The scenes with the TARDIS flying were really exciting and fun. I loved the imagery
3. Rigsby. (sp?) I really like that actor and I like the call back to Flatline. He's just a NORMAL person with a whole normal biography and I love when Doctor Who has characters like that. Clara ended her time as such a superhero. I like regular people!

Addison

Rigsy!
Regular people are amazing
I don't like that we don't see enough of them sometimes
Unless they're dying

Ryan Britt

excatly

Addison

Like, he was still talking to his wife!
This episode paid so much attention to detail
I think you're right about if someone had this as their first Doctor Who episode
Because so many things have been explained

Ryan Britt

(and there's a great cliffhanger)
GREAT!

Addison

And crying

Ryan Britt

(that would be my number 4)

Addison

All the traits of Doctor Who

Ryan Britt

that's right
okay
you go

Addison

Okay
-The Doctor thinking out loud. I love that we get a lot of that this series. Like, hey, I can't save you but I will! But then there's so much reality in it so you're always left satisfied.
-Twelve's theme was in it!
I missed that a LOT last episode.

Ryan Britt

J

Addison

-Diagon Alley. Cybermen and Oods being normal humans all caj
Like, what if Harry Potter is just Cybermen and Oods
What if they're all really aliens
BUT
Something that I liked and did not like
Was the scary crow

Ryan Britt

HA
love it

Addison

It was the scariest thing watching the crow kill the Cyberman
Don't blink, don't see, RUN FROM THE CROW

Ryan Britt

Ha.
What are you predictions for next week?
Where is the Doctor?

Addison

Wait

Ryan Britt

Oh!
you have one more!
sorry

Addison

What didn't you like?

Ryan Britt

I'm the worst
Oh
you know
that it was over
?

Addison

XD

Ryan Britt

I guess
Shoot
I don't know. The Diagon Alley set really bugged me
it seemed cheap/fake?

Addison

Yep
It didn't seem like a real refugee camp

Ryan Britt

Wanted something a little less "village-y"

Addison

It seemed more like something out of Sweeney Todd

Ryan Britt

Yeah
like they were filming a Sweeney Todd TV movie

Addison

I didn't like how Clara took Rigsy's sentence

Ryan Britt

and then were like, hey, we can just make this a Doctor Who thing
they're all aliens

Addison

Bahahaha

Ryan Britt

"in disguise"
seemed sort of tacked on

Addison

Anyway
Predictions? Yes?
Will the Doctor have a new companion so soon?

Ryan Britt

I'd say not until next season
maybe x-mas
(Runnaway Bride action)

Addison

Yep
Special episode
BUT NOT ASHILDR
She's like a clingy ex

Ryan Britt

Nice analogy
I agree
Where is the Doctor though?
Gallifrey?

Addison

Gallifrey.
Sorry, I was trying to channel my inner Hazel Grace
Maybe he's on the moon

Ryan Britt

Success

Addison

Barefoot on the moon

Ryan Britt

Any other predictions for next time?
You wish

Addison

Ha
I am sealed in
I have no predictions other than seeing Ten again

Ryan Britt

flashbacks
that's our prediction
Okay Addison!

Until then!
I've got your confession dial

Addison

Allons-y!

Ryan Britt

For goodness sake!

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