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Walden Two

B.F. Skinner

Chapter 23-25

Chapter 20-22

Chapter 23-25, page 2

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Chapter 23

Frazier, Castle, and Burris discuss Walden Two. Frazier claims that what distinguishes Walden Two from all previous utopias is that it exists in the modern world. It avoids all political and economic solutions to the problems of society, depending instead on a "science of behavior." Walden Two members vote in local elections, but they all follow the recommendations of the Planners. Religion has little place at Walden Two. The community has non-religious Sunday meetings that serve some of the same community-building functions as traditional religious meetings. Castle criticizes Walden Two for avoiding the problems of the outside world instead of helping to fix them. Frazier replies that the only way to really know what the solutions are is to try them out in a well-controlled environment first. That is exactly what is being done at Walden Two.

Chapter 24

Burris asks Frazier whether Walden Two's young people are at risk of being drawn to the attractions of modern life. Frazier replies that the children of Walden Two are shown the consequences of every seemingly positive aspect of the outside world: for every movie palace or mansion, they are taken to a jail, or the dilapidated home of a house cleaner. Burris, not convinced, wonders whether some kind of indoctrination is needed to maintain the community. No, says Frazier; in fact, indoctrination and propaganda are the best way to ruin a community. It is much more difficult to discern the true problems of a society when they are hidden by the false sense of satisfaction that results from propaganda. Because propaganda makes experimentation difficult if not impossible, it goes directly against the principles of Walden Two.

As the conversation is winding down, Steve and Mary wave happily to Castle, Burris, and Frazier from the far side of the building. It is clear that they have been accepted to Walden Two.

Chapter 25

Around 4 o'clock, Burris decides to tour Walden Two on his own to determine whether its members are really as happy as they seem. He starts at the Ladder, eavesdropping on the groups of people that have gathered in its alcoves for tea. He hears friendly gossip, a discussion of the advantages of a democratic military, the quiet of a chess game, a women reading a children's book to a group of girls, and a man complaining about the harvest. At his last stop, he is invited by three young women to sit and talk. When they learn that he is a college professor, they quiz him about the faults of the university system. He escapes as quickly as possible. Soon he finds himself in a lounge where string players and a pianist are playing for a small audience. The pianist turns out to be Frazier.


Chapter 23 presents a grab bag of ideas about the place of Walden Two in the world. Of particular interest is the discussion of religion. Religion, like morality, is explicitly reduced to its function in society. Here and elsewhere in the novel it is lumped together with advertising and government as merely another way of controlling human behavior. As such, it has no place in Walden Two, where the only condoned method of controlling human behavior is a scientific one.

Although a criticism of society at large is implicit throughout Walden Two, it is stated directly in Chapter 24. Modern capitalist society has had some dramatic successes, but they come at a cost. These costs are often hidden, but they can easily be discovered if one is willing to look.

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May not be important, but...

by Funky-Train, September 03, 2013

On your character summary, you wrote that Barbara Macklin is Rodgers' girlfriend, but they're officially engaged. I think this is a significant detail, because Steve introduces his girlfriend, Mary Grove, informally as "my girl." This shows an immaturity in Steve, whereas Barbara and Rodgers view their relationship seriously.


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